The gut
 The gut | |
 Davidsecretary@ourcs[dot]org.uk |  22:56, 6th May 200822 weeks ago |
| Crews may not overtake in the Gut without permission from the boat being overtaken. I'm pretty sure this also implies that you should not ram into the back of crews because they are slower than you. | |
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| Tom Thomas.fowler@st-annes | 23:54, 6th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| No. You shouldn't overtake in the gut AT ALL, even with the permission of the boat ahead. If you're entering the gut going down stream, or leaving the gut going up stream, you cannot see whether there are boats coming in the opposite direction till relatively late notice. Its all very well getting the permission of the boat going in your direction, but what about the boat potentially heading towards you on the other side? Overtaking on the wrong side of the river leads to all sorts of annoying/dangerous situations when you suddenly encounter oncoming traffic you didn't realise were there. It simply doesn't work. Don't do it. Tom | |
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| David secretary@ourcs[dot]org.uk | 00:19, 7th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| This was, of course, a direct quote from the rules. | |
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| ht hannah.thomas@lincoln | 09:52, 7th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| I believe David's point was that just because 'don't ram into the back of people' isn't mentioned in the Gut rules, doesn't mean you can do it. It's the sort of common sense that goes along with 'don't row 4 abreast down the middle of the river' and 'don't hit tourists in punts, even if they're REALLY annoying'. Let's just all use our heads out there - the river is busy, and it's only going to get busier. Holding it up, or having to pause, in the middle of a piece (or some good sustained paddling) may not be ideal, but neither's an injured rower/cox or broken boats. And as for the Gut, it's the place where you're most likely to have problems so ANTICPATE it (even to the point of telling your crew where you are on the river), and be ready to stop. Really, it's not rocket science. | |
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| Anu Dudhia dudhia@atm | 11:04, 7th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| So given that we have the OURCs Captain of Coxes saying one thing, and the OURCs rules saying the opposite, can someone just tell us what are we supposed (to do/not to do) to avoid being fined? | |
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| Tom thomas.fowler@st-annes | 13:04, 7th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| Here is my take on things. The rules say you shouldn't overtake in the gut without the permission of the crew ahead. However, the rules also say that clubs can be fined for dangerous coxing. I would certainly class overtaking a crew on the wrong side of the river, whilst going round a corner with very limited visability as falling into this latter category. I have been in situations before when going in one direction into the gut, and being faced with two oncoming side by side crews, one overtaking the other. Everybody ends up having to stop which is at best annoying, and at worst bloody dangerous. Granted, at quiet periods you will get away with this sort of thing nine times out of ten. It only takes that one time though when everybody is in the same place at the same time, and things can go wrong. Regarding what the rules actually say, everybody knows that the OURCs rules are not perfect. This is demonstarted by the fact that at almost every captains meeting there are motions to change/add/remove rules. I think the the rule saying permission is needed from the crew ahead in order to overtake in the gut is just an example of such imperfections. Tom | |
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| Emily emily_baldock@hotmail[dot]com | 15:24, 7th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| I think the rule requiring permission recognises that the crew being overtaken should be able to tell whether or not it is clear to do so. If you cannot tell whether it is clear, don't give permission. If there are absolutely no other crews around then give permission if you think that being overtaken won't interfere with your own crew. As others have already said - use your common sense. | |
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| David secretary@ourcs[dot]org.uk | 18:13, 7th May 2008 22 weeks ago |
| It is quite useful to be able to pass crews that have managed to crash into the side of the gut rather than having to stop and wait for them to go causing the potential for a bit of a pile up when it would be safer to proceed past. | |
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| Thomas Chapman thomas.chapman@some | 11:50, 15th May 2008 21 weeks ago |
| Presumably it also depends on where in the gut you wish to overtake, once you can see round the first corner there is usually adequate time to overtake perfectly safely, also bank-riders can see quite a lot of the river from that point, further reducing the risk in some situations. | |
