Further disregard for rules by coaches

Further disregard for rules by coaches
Chris christopher.cooper@sgc	15:19, 25th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
Yet more naming and shaming - it's the coaches I blame... Saturday, Lincoln men parked outside the Isis farmhouse for 10-15 minutes heard being coached (coached blamed top nut coming loose - no reason to stop there, and it doesn't take 10 mins to tighten a top nut). Sunday - Univ men boating at 12pm - I thought a crew of intelligent undergrads would be able to set their clocks back last night?! When challenged their coach attempted to absolve himself of responsibility by stating "tell the committee, I'm an external coach". Now I thought coaches were supposed to be resonsible for their crews and had full knowledge of OURCs rules. I don't need to remind colleges that clubs external to the University look poorly on boating outside of the restrictions - don't forget that you all need CORC's permission to trailer from their landing stage, so don't annoy them!.... a bit of mutual respect all round would be nice!
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Anu Dudhia dudhia@atm	21:54, 25th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
...and Univ women were a bit slow getting off the water this morning, certainly after 8am. Does that mean they use up their "suspended" fine for the earlier offence and get double the fine for the later offence?
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Tom thomas.baker@jesus	23:44, 25th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
I think that because it was a restriction violation it doesn't come under the suspended fines, so both violations should result in a fine - the fines suspension only counts for things like incorrect lights, careless coxing, no LJ etc (at least that is my understanding of the new system!). If they were to break those restrictions again then the fine will be doubled according to my reading of the rules.
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Ben Thurston ben.thurston@trinity	00:44, 26th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
I will not comment on the situation regarding Univ as I do not have all the details. However, if a crew from a club were to be on the water after 8am on a Sunday, that club would receive a fine of £10. The suspension of fines does not include violations as set out in appendix H rule 4. If, on the same day or any other day within and academic year, any crew of that club violated a scheduled restriction (as that set out in R.5 R.7.1 R7.2 and R.8.1) the fine would be £20. The next fine for violation of a scheduled restriction would be £40. In the case above, if it were true that crews from a college had been out twice on one Sunday morning, the fine would be £10 plus one of £20, so £30 for the two violations in total. I hope this clarifies things. Ben
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Liz N liz.a.platts@googlemail[dot]com	08:45, 26th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
and some more from Sunday... Godstow Worcester coach still not wearing a lifejacket - that's 2 weekends in a row Merton cox - no lifejacket Balliol W - only 7 rowers Isis Pembroke 2 boats Sun pm a M8+ and w4+ - they weren't even subtle enough to take the 4 out of sight below the gut
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Ben Thurston ben.thurston@trinity	09:44, 26th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
Perhaps you could send these to the Treasurer at treasurer@ourcs.org.uk, who can then decide to act on these as appropriate. I appreciate your efforts to stimulate discussion regarding the fine system, but I am not sure naming and shaming individual colleges or crews on an open forum is necessarily the best route for this. Perhaps it may be more appropriate to discuss the process by which transgressions are recorded and acted on, rather than simply highlight where individual transgressions have occurred. If the Treasurer is informed of all transgressions appropriately and a pattern emerges, then with the new rules we have a means to deal with this. Unfortunately, mere observations on the forum do not help us in that regard. Best Wishes, Ben
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Chris christopher.cooper@sgc	10:05, 26th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
I think it's quite appropriate in the "name and shame" section of the forum! With the suspension of fines for a few weeks, I think trangressors should be named - I doubt crews' feelings will be hurt! There is some idiotic coxing and coaching going on at the moment - to the City clubs it does feel as if there's a free-for-all going on at the moment. This is particularly important (as has been pointed out on a separate thread), that coxless boats do not have the same visibility as 4's or 8's, and a serious collision has already occurred this weekend between a college and a city crew, causing serious damage. Thus in the absence of fines, anything that helps to tighten up watermanship on the Isis is a good thing, IMHO!
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Ben Thurston ben.thurston@trinity	11:30, 26th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
By all means name and shame here if you feel it will help. What I think would be of most benefit, however, is informing the committee so that we can then approach colleges if repeated transgressions are made, so that we can help to avoid them. We can not act on forum posts! It may also be worth noting that only the minority of novices will be reading these forums and it is likely that these are the people who could most benefit from a little friendly advice. Hopefully, if you let us know your worries, we can pass these on. Ben
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Anu Dudhia dudhia@atm	22:46, 26th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
I'm not advocating fining colleges on the basis of what's posted on this forum (and if it were the case I wouldn't have posted anything). It is, after all, "name and shame" not "name and fine". But perhaps responsible committee members could be encouraged to check this forum regularly to see what they're missing. And if that prompts a quiet word behind the scenes with the colleges concerned, so much the better. Or maybe that's already how it works.
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David david.pallot@medschool	21:46, 27th Oct 2009 40 weeks ago
Fines are not put in simply from the forums. Fines (or cautions in the current system) are only issued from committee members contacting me directly. I think if anything that looks like a major issue comes up on the forums and hasn't been spotted by a committee member, that will be addressed but not through the fine system. (Although most of the things on the forum at the moment have been reported to me separately by various committee members). David

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